Talk with Abbot (head monk)

7 januari 2010

Now I shall tell you of our Abbot at Wat (temple) Simbunrung. He is an excellent man. Widely loved and respected by local Thai people, novices, monks, foreigners and children alike. I do not think I know of anyone whose reputation is so unblemished. Usually there's always someone that starts to hate such a person out of sheer jealousy, this was not the case this time.

Although I have had some very inspiring conversations whilst here, notably with the western creator of this program (the abbot being the other co-creator), the most helpful so far have been books. So I was still looking to see some of the wisdom contained in the books, personified in a person. And I can fairly objectively say that this is what the Abbot here is. The Abbot is only 37 years old. 

I made an appointment, since he is a very busy man. I enter his office and prostrate (bow) three times, as is the custom. Now when you talk to the Abbot he sits in a decorated stage like thingy with flowers, insence and Buddha images, while you sit infront of it (actually it's the place where I did the 8 precepts ceremony, which you can see on the pictures). At first I sit way too far away, but I am beckoned closer and after three beckonings, I'm sitting at normal talking distance. His english is very good by Thai standards, but communication was somewhat slow at times (despite his handy translation computer). Soon I found out, that this interaction was not necessarily going to be about the intellectual / philosophical novelty and enrichment. It was about hearing the teachings from someone that not only knew them, but also actually has SEEN them and embodies them.

My synopsis of what he taught me

Wisdom, concetration and minfulness are the foundation for right action, right speech and compassion. With these in place you will not react through your moods and impulses and it will become easier to live according to the 5 precepts. A good way to stimulate the first three factors is through meditation.

Compassion is the foremost thing. If we would simply live by the 5 precepts, we would not need jails, police, armies and laws. Now see, every idiot understands this and this is usually the point where every philospher dives into history and human nature to explain why this cannot simply be done. When the Abbot says it however, you see that the question of "but how do I bring about compassion?" does not even arise. Compassion is the ONLY way. This is right understanding, which the Buddha taught. You can test it out for yourself. It is the only thing that leads to true happiness. You can tell by by the way that he speaks it, that he blames no one for their non-compassion, he understands how hard it is and that the effects that ignorance have are grave. But that's just the thing, he seems to genuinely understand and feel compassion for all of us living creatures who are stuck in this cycle of ignorance.

He explains to me that one should not just teach the Dhamma (teachings of the Buddha) to everyone that seems to misbehave; only when there is a right opportunity. All of his just seemed so gentle. And I noticed that he hardly ever refered to himself, but always spoke in a general form.

In my own meditation I had noticed the (to me) almost supreme importance of patience. As soon as you start to desire results, your mind will speed up and will create the opposite of results in meditation and thus this is made painfully clear. So I ask him about this importance. "Yes! Very important!" he went on to explain why.. but then "But Buddha say, patience, not enougy. Also; effort!". Now this really was a big insight for me in hind sight. For I have always been struggling with the fact that if you invoke patience, a lot of times nothing gets done... but if I'd start to motivate myself, I would become dependant of an outcome and lose patience, resulting in major frustrations. From the Abbot's words it became clear that there is a form of effort, or energy, which is not directed at any outcome... which does not create more thinking and worrying, but is simpy effort for effort's sake. A kind of 'patient effort'. I kind of suspected this in a way, but just the fact of seeig that the Abbot lives this, makes you realize its actual truth and existence.

I do not want to act like the Abbot is super-human, he definitely is not. Like Lao Tzu said "when you emphasize the positive, you always leave out the negative", which is also true in this case. But when it comes to compassion, I had not believed people like this to actually exist. Now, I had already seen a general tendency of compassion in Thai people everywhere, but this really made the fact that compassionate people actually DO exist really clear. And I think this, is the ultimate antithesis to Ayn Rand's philosphy. Compassion for compassion's sake, not for one's own sake.

Temple life in general

I was alone at the temple for a few days here. I had no fellow visitors and all the novices had gone home for New Year. During this time I had been meditating 4 hours a day. Slowly I'm starting to believe that I'm seeing some subtle changes. When I think back to home, I cannot seem to comprehend some of my old obsessions and thought patterns. For the first time since a long time (perhaps 18 years or so) I feel not worried about the future. I feel confident that with patience and effort a lot can be achieved and know that this is all that can happen and that it does not matter where it will lead. A lot of what we humans worry about or blame ourselves for, is outside of our influence. I also know that there will be down times, in which I will lose myself, but I know that these will also be impermanent, no matter what.

The thought of heading back into 'civilization' is a strange one. I know that I could not give up my normal life, but I also know that I do not wish to go back to being controled by cravings and obsessions that completely obscure any kind of insight. In the end it will probably result in a compromise where I enjoy life back home, whilst setting as much time as possible aside for meditation.

On a less deep note; I went for lunch with a girl I know around here yesterday, because she was leaving, this was a most welcome break I must say. Very nice girl as well, shame she left now.

 

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8 Reacties

  1. Sarah:
    7 januari 2010
    Ik wou vandaag eens een dagje zonder taart of dergelijke, het is toch minder leuk zonder jou. Ik was heel trots op mezelf omdat ik ondanks alle verlokkingen alleen maar een koffie bestelde. Maar ze kenden mij nog in de "Smile Bakery" en wat gebeurde? Ik kreeg een stukje taart gratis voor mijn neus gezet. En niet alleen dat, toen ik vertrok kreeg ik ook nog een stuk appeltaart om mee te nemen, en die koffie mocht ik ook niet betalen. Nu durf ik er niet meer naartoe. Ben bang dat ik ze ga ruineren.
    Dit past hier helemaal niet bij, maar ik geraak niet op facebook en ik heb jouw e-mail niet en dit belangrijk nieuws MOEST ik gewoon met jou delen.
    Je mag dit altijd wissen na het lezen (aangezien het zich niet zelf kan vernietigen). Een heeel mooie blog heb je. Ik kijk meer en meer uit naar het leven in de tempel.
    Oh ja, en nog iets, ze hier weer een nieuwe regel verzonnen, ik moet nu elke dag dat ik hier verblijf 10$ tax betalen. Grappig!!! Het zou kunnen dat ik dan iets korter blijf...
    xxx a very nice girl
  2. Rogier:
    7 januari 2010
    Haha, ik vind niet dat je bericht mijn blog vervuilt, dus... hij mag blijven!

    Die taart heb je hopelijk wel opgegeten toch? Want hoe goed je voornemen ook is, taart laten staan is een soort heiligschennis in onze spontaan bedachte taart-religie! :P

    Tja, JIJ wilde zo graag naar Burma, dan krijg je dit soort dingen. maar misschien als ze je leren kennen mag je ook niet betalen en krijg je taart.

    Ik mis je, maar niet, want dat is attachment en daar mediteer ik me stug doorheen ;)

    x
  3. Fred:
    7 januari 2010
    Perhaps I over simplify the word compassion.... but the best way I try to explain it is...love combined with pity.
    An arahant loves all beings equally, without expecting anything in return.
    We all pity those we see suffering, but a monk will pity all beings who are still ignorant of the truth, and are therefore still trapped in Samsara.
  4. Sangla:
    7 januari 2010
    Si bon rung? past there almost everyday life is my home town,Pa ri chart Kao soi i use to work there when i was 13 to 15 i think,
  5. Ben Bowler:
    8 januari 2010
    Excellent article Rogier, especially like the cake and girl segue ;)

    Words are always problematic Fred, still I think pity is not the best term. Pity for some people implies a looking down upon.

    Compassion is to feel *with* and hence together
    Pirt is to feel *for* and thus implies separation.

    ... just a thought.

    Keep up the great work Rogier, every step you make is a step for all of us!
  6. Marten:
    15 januari 2010
    Love to read your entries!

    I'm very interested in the "concentration" part of the teachings. It seems to me that it's harder and harder to ignore all the influences around us and interruptions that we experience on a daily basis. Looking back at my childhood, I can remember being immersed in one single activity (reading, LEGO, ...) for hours at a time and it didn't require any effort. It was just the way it was. Even working on some computer programming (yes, I was a nerdy kid), I would be concentrated until it was finished or I was forced to go and do something else.

    These days, it's not the norm but the exception. Relentless interruptions from everywhere, responsibilities, deadlines, ideas. It's a constant flow. Sure, if I really need to get something done or decide to concentrate for a period of time, I can do it (and it's an awesome feeling.) But it doesn't come so naturally.

    Almost everyone seems to deal with this, rushing from here to there, having trouble focusing. And much less gets done as a result.

    As you are learning about this "monkey mind" phenomenon, are you making progress averting it? Do you have some good techniques to share?

    Keep up the good stuff!
  7. Rogier:
    21 januari 2010
    Marten, nice to see you reading my articles and thanx for your kind words. I understand your point and I agree. I just completed my 10 day meditation retreat here. And it is actally exactly what you speak of. There, there are no distraction (or they are not allowed anyway). The only thing you do is meditate, not even talking is allowed and craving food isn't either :P. I'll write my entry about it today or tomorrow, but the main technique is mindfulness. Everything that enters you conscienceness, you note.... "hearing, hearing", "thinking, thinking", "seeing, seeing", while staying in the present moment. Granted, this is very hard... but after a while you start to see the cravings and distraction come up in your mind and you're able to let them go. You note "craving, craving", when you see the mars bars in the shop and when you realize you are not your cravings, that you are not responsible for them (they simply come up according to conditioning), they start to disappear. It's a kind of 'de-conditioning'. At the beginning of my stay it was REALLY hard (not internet, no TV, no snacks, no talking, not hot showers, no reading, no going out, no family), but after a while of being very aware of these cravings, you start to see that you can be as happy (if not happier) without them. You in fact need very little for happiness.

    As a kid we were less contidioned still.. at times at the themple, when I looked around me, it was like looking around like I did as a kid; everything is new and exciting and you're not so stuck in your mind thinking about things that are somewhere else.
  8. Razboynik:
    28 januari 2010
    Powerful stuff...